Post by @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

@davidrevoy What the hell?

@davidrevoy Meta apps get less and less useful.

@davidrevoy

Thanks for shar…

Oh fuck, never mind

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org haaaaa, two links a month?! Bloody hell. 🤣

Predicting a future of Facebook with www[dot]website[dot]com links scattered around it 🤣

@paul
Which are rather trivially xxx-ed out. If the landlord desires to block that behaviour.
@davidrevoy

@yacc143@mastodon.social of course they'll do that, though my point is people always find a way around restrictions and it will make fb look even more of a trash heap. @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

@davidrevoy So next post is
"
from now on you can find me here: <link>
bye!
"
🤭?

@fabiscafe I think if I do a link like that, it will be shadow ban.

My regular external links were already shadowban anyway... they keep only the comics.

I'll find something to communicate to my followers (around 16K on it)

@davidrevoy
> I think if I do a link like that, it will be shadow ban.

Then do a comic with a farewell, use ai-fenced font in the bubbles, and tell the story of some metaeuthanized soul that goes into the datacenter inferno to swap bits in the authenticators so villains can access their golem anymore, than set those golem to find a way to destroy all who pushed it to the misery of working agains human artists...

@fabiscafe

@ohir @fabiscafe That's indeed an experiment to do. On my 16K followers over there, maybe 3 to 4k are active when see the stats on my post. I don't want to leave them this way without a notice or an alternative... that's sure.

@davidrevoy @ohir @fabiscafe There's your blog if they don't want to sign up to anything else.

For the RL people, maybe a Signal group would be a solution?

@davidrevoy @ohir @fabiscafe
one final exclusive comic for meta, or your followers there, telling them where to find you...

@davidrevoy @fabiscafe when i was on facebook (just regular user account), i made a post like that and that post was removed almost immediately 🤣

@davidrevoy the unlimited price is deranged

@davidrevoy wow that's... that's a surprising low

@davidrevoy

I am pulling my NeoFinder product page from Facebook because of this garbage.

Good thing, NeoFinder already has a nice Fediverse page, which is free, doesn't spy on you, doesn't require an account, doesn't finance nazis and other questionable behavior.

Time to leave that brown hellhole.

I just wonder if meta has financial problems causing this idiotic idea?

@davidrevoy 🤦

@davidrevoy there's still people using Facebook ?

@grum999 😆

Unfortunately, yes. And far beyond other social media (src https://duckduckgo.com/?q=social+media+by+number+of+users+2025&iar=images&t=ffab )

@davidrevoy ☠️☠️

@davidrevoy
What is "Meta"?
Sounds like this one kind of drug ...

(Fun Fact: The company itself was figure out, their system is behaving as like a drug to people, the users, for years ... and them was not doing anything against.)

All of their crap not enters my sourrounding.
Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram ... nope!

@davidrevoy @frumble This is Meta admitting they are bleeding money, right?

@schrotthaufen @frumble It is also my feeling when a company risks an enshitification move like that onto content creators.

@davidrevoy
I think you don't understand enshitification. It's more a sign of look we are still number one in social media, let's convert some of this to money.
@schrotthaufen @frumble

@davidrevoy Just quit it

@drgeo I can't. I could with Twitter (and before Elon took it) because it was only "professional relationship" and I knew our professional bubble of FLOSS digital painting was already very active here on the Fediverse.
But on Facebook, it's old aunt, cousins, fans I met at signing session, that always leave a nice comments and follow weekly, 16K in total.
Even if Facebook act like a bandit, if I leave, they'll shadow ban my message of leaving, and I'll get blamed by the audience for doing it.

@davidrevoy Silent quitting is a better move then.

@davidrevoy It is not wise to be loyal to someone who is not loyal to you in return. In the long run, this benefits enemies and harms friends.

@lunovox Yes, not wise and not intelligent, to stay in a deal with one side behaving like a bandit: taking (content) without giving back the opportunity for the content creator to get support.
Unfortunately, I used the two links with the two first comic of the month, just to link to the timelapse. To prevent "your art is AI" rain of messages. I'll have now to choose to remove this link, so I can post a monthly link and a blog post one time per month.

@davidrevoy hmm... selling ladders to people wanting to climb out of the hole that meta has dug.

@davidrevoy put up qr codes

@hacknorris It's complex for user to scan the QR code, if this one appears on the screen of the device they use to scan it. I say that, because according to the built in analytics, most of my Facebook audience check their timeline on smartphones. So, I'm not sure if they can have the possibility to do that, that's sad.

@davidrevoy there are ways to open links from qr codes without camera app. you can just do a screenshot and paste into some site which are tons...

@davidrevoy this is so... deeply, deeply... ten years ago, this picture would have looked like a joke or a prediction of an awful future for the internet.

aaaaaaand

@aud Yes, dystopian

@davidrevoy are any of your readers still there though? :-)

@isagalaev A lot, sadly (~16K), and people I personally care, like very old friends, family nephew or nieces, an old person that used to be a friend of the parent of my wife before they passed away; they always interact under the comics, leave a little hello. Cutting the Facebook page would result cutting a bridge and presence in those fragiles relations...

@davidrevoy yes… My question was snarky, but I totally feel what you're saying. I have a few of such connections myself. And those are usually people who aren't going to switch online platforms.

I really hate how Facebook took so many of our relations hostage.

@isagalaev @davidrevoy

How can you even tell? The mere favs counts can be faked. Probably is too, for some sinister psychology experiment.
I am so, so glad that the Fediverse got created.

@anlomedad @isagalaev You can tell they are still plenty of real person watching their timelines by meeting them IRL.

I have plenty of feedback eg. from far away family who came at my wedding explained in the monthly report and who engaged discussion about my recent comics, saying they followed them on Fb, or when I do signing session, and you meet many amazing persons saying with shyness they follow on Facebook.

Yes, the way the post are shown, the stats can all be faked, but this, not much.

@davidrevoy @isagalaev

What the internet used to be, enabling social interaction with threads into RL. Thank you for sharing.

@davidrevoy They have to fund "muse" somehow and slopmachines arent getting any more profitable. On a more serious note, I didn't think there was any room to enshitify facebook even more, guess I was wrong

@davidrevoy maybe it's time..

@davidrevoy It's time for "to get more updates, try Fediverse" kind of guerrilla marketing 🙃

@skobkin I think I heard some creators who got ban for promoting other platforms. eg. Fediverse on Instagram, if I remember. I'll investigate those stories before trying.

@davidrevoy @skobkin

honestly if that's how they're gonna roll I hope there is a mass exodus

@davidrevoy I am at awe how easily they come up with new ways to squeeze out money of people. I'd never would have thought about limiting the number of ext. links. Wow!

@davidrevoy seems like a great time for people to leave.

@davidrevoy amazing

@aeva @davidrevoy 2 links, in this economy?, etc.

@aud @aeva

@davidrevoy You know Meta needs all the money they can get./sarcasm

@davidrevoy
Why exactly is anyone still on meta ?

@rantanlan For the "network effect", with 3 Billions of active users they are still the number 1 network. (And I'm sad about it, I spent a big part from 2010 to recently to work for a non-profit that tried to inform and educate about the issues with the GAFAM.)

@davidrevoy I'm sorry, was more of a rhetorical question. If your business depend on it or if it's the way it worked for you and provided some income... I know it is no easy choice. For me, who never had an account or dependencys it's easy to write.

@rantanlan No problem, and thank you for your reply.

@davidrevoy It's jarring that the corporation who are the most desperate to squeeze money from people are the most financially fortunate.

@davidrevoy je suis bien content d'avoir supprimé mon compte
De toutes façons, à la fin, j'avais 10 posts de pubs pour peut être un post d'un truc ou j'étais abonné ><

@davidrevoy PLEEEEEEASE STAY ENGAGED ON OUR DYING PLATFORM 😭😭😭 - some Meta exec

@davidrevoy I couldn't *give away* three functional bikes on my local freecycle group because Facebook decided I needed to use a passkey from now on and their passkey setup is totally borked.

But on the upside I guess I'll never have to deal with Facebook ever again for the rest of my life.

@davidrevoy Yeah, that's, uh. If a site ever told me that I'd take my ball and go home.

@faoluin A part of my supporters follows it this way. Also a long network effect on it (group of friends, family, etc...) and many people I know IRL who follow me on it. Real life example: I went to the doctor on Friday, he follows me on Fb and had a smile and liked to comment my recent episodes.
Leaving silently (because I can't link about the reason, shadowban system, and no external link allowed) would backfire to me socially more than I can afford. But I'm thinking about a strategy to leave.

@davidrevoy Yeah, I don't blame you at all, especially since you're a professional and you need that audience. It's a bind. :/

@davidrevoy Two posts for the whole MONTH?? Jeez louise. D:

@ToonLink yeah... including in the comments.
The two links I already posted were the "speedpainting links" part of the MiniFantasyTheater episode posts. I guess I'll have to stop posting the timelapse on Fb.

@davidrevoy wow that's crazy.

They really don't want people using websites that they can't scrape data from lol

@davidrevoy They want to be the internet, you really need a page that isn’t theirs.

@stairjoke Don't worry, everything is all set since a long time (I'm into activism against GAFAM since a long time, almost as soon as they appeared in my region of the world ~2010).

I have probably 30x the audience via RSS (according the server log) than Facebook followers. But I know ~30 poeples personally IRL that follows the FB page and are captive of it for many reasons (family/school/work).

@davidrevoy

Yep.

Meta just decided to kill its own business with that 2 links/month scheme.

Saw an email by a guy who sells FB ads. The fees Meta is asking for a tiny bit more reach are insane, as well.

Enshittification end stage.

@davidrevoy I haven’t used Facebook in ages. But somehow this doesn’t surprise me.

I kinda feel the that social networks” are dead and we all should go back to the independant forums, personal blogs and the like … you know, like web was intended to be 🤷

@davidrevoy

Yet another good reason to leave Meta.

@davidrevoy Ask everyone to follow you on the fediverse!

@ertai42 I already did multiple time in the past, but the post were immediately shadowban. I had also feedback that this type of promotion to move away is now is a motive of ban on Meta platforms.

I'm thinking about a special MiniFantasyTheater footer on the last panel for Facebook. Something I'll have to code/automate.

@davidrevoy I wonder if you use imagemagick for this kind of work.

stuff like this to add a footer seems useful for instance

```
montage image.jpeg footer.jpeg -tile 1x2 -geometry +0+0 out.png
```

(my apologies if the comment is naive, I have no idea what your level of knowledge is in scripting automation)

@ertai42 Thank you, yes, I'm using imagemagick a lot. For example the comic splitting in four panels with the footer on the last one is handled here by this four long epic one-liners 😆

https://framagit.org/peppercarrot/tools/-/blob/master/mft_renderfarm.sh?ref_type=heads#L465

@davidrevoy facebook? 😂😂😂 That prehistoric platform that supports fascism? Why on earth would you still want to be part of it?

@AccordingtoWouter Because of an historical presence since 2010, 16K (nice persons) followers that I often meet IRL and are publishing nice comments. There is a little vibrant P&C community over there, that have their dissonance about using Facebook/Messenger, because they have to: for staying in contact with their family, their co-workers, the group of the parents for their child at school, well, a social life.
Same for me, it would cut bridges with family member if I wasn't on it.

@davidrevoy strange that there are really a lot of possibilities to communicate, an unimaginable number of ways. But if you don’t use that one fascist platform, will people cut ties with you?? I think that says something about those people, doesn’t it?

@AccordingtoWouter It tells more about how some relations are fragile and sometime the link between persons are fragile and they use what they consider the most easy way to keep the relation.
For following artist, it is sometime just an habits, like opening a journal (Timeline) and seeing the cartoonist of the newspaper do his thing on the bottom. Sometime reading it, sometime not.
I don't think it tells much about the ideology of people, many are here by pure habits and no digital hygiene.

@davidrevoy It’s a bit like continuing to watch Harry Potter films even though the author has a bad reputation because of her controversial views on trans people

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org just another proof that fediverse are better that most other (A)-social platforms ​​

@spirillen Oh yes! Far better.
But I think famous persons, politicians, brands are not coming around here (or still an exception when they do) because there is not a "pay to win" system in place here, so they can't buy their success. 😆

@davidrevoy so that’s why I constantly see those “link in 1st comment” posts.

@pax0707 Not really, it was a workaround for the previous enshitification in place since ~2020:
The link in the 1st comment permited to avoid the post to be shadowban because it contained an external link. But now, this rule with the count also includes the comments. So, I can't even link to a previous episode, or a tutorial to help, or my brushes, etc when I have Krita questions in the comments. I checked: I spent my first two links in Oct, only by linking to the timelapse in the 1st comment...

@davidrevoy Jeeeeesus…

I have no words…

@davidrevoy stop using Meta. Everyone who matters (me) is here on Mastodon anyway

@jolle Yep, I know. I already explained the many reasons on other comments here that keep me posting on this page.

@davidrevoy WOW! I'm happy I left that walled garden a long time ago.

@davidrevoy wth

@davidrevoy Me too - it's a blooming shame!! There is a work around though

@davidrevoy I think they've realized that anyone who's still on Facebook at this point is completely trapped.

@davidrevoy I guess Zuckerberg needs more money. Veey sad when he hurts small businesses

@davidrevoy im so frustrated by this lately (im so mad and fed up but my online and irl relations are there either on whatsapp, ig, fb, messenger) and the upcoming web crawling ToS update.

will you do something about it? can your personal website avoid meta bot crawl?

i just deleted website links from my fb, but not sure if what they meant by "associated sites" is any links I've ever post in even comments and chats

@lazcht Hey, so I had discussions with friends this week-end to clarify my mind, and in the end, I'll keep the Facebook page because it is low time budget to maintain, and family/friends/audience on it, so it is still a + for me and them.
I'll spend my 2 external links on "monthly update" on my blog and personal promotion (linktree in my profile, patronage) .
And I'll insert on my monthly report a message for my audience following me from Meta products.
1/2

@lazcht 2/2 About Meta's crawlers: I don't think they respect the robot.txt or anything anyway. So, my strategy will be actively experiment about poisoning.

@davidrevoy thanks, will you still be active posting on both ig and fb?

let me know more about the poisoning (if you plan to write more in blog it'll be great haha). i agree with you if we can't avoid them to crawl at least we give them shitty things

@lazcht About Ig and Fb, I'll just post what the algorythm is already triaging: the weekly comic + the monthly and a self promotion. I'll also keep replying to the comments, etc... But I'll start a "read only" mode, not following any artists myself on it (it's already ready reduced).

About the poisoning, you'll discover my next move on wednesday :)
Yes, I'll keep writing what I do on the blog, on monthly for sure, and inside in a article if I think it worth it's own post.

@davidrevoy They are doubling down on keeping everyone in the walled garden unless you wish to pay the price. We are all better off without Meta.